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PostPosted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 7:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brand New Day the Worst...?

And here I thought Diamond's price hike would be the outstanding favourite to win!

And, just to annoy Reaper: Ultimates 3 was great... in a completely different way to Ultimates 1 & 2.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 19, 2008 8:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You know what IS great about the ultimate universe? The end of Ultimate Spider-Man #128.

Yes, I did just catch up on that today. And all I have to say is "YES!!! YES!!!!!! YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THANK YOU BENDIS!!"

On the flip side to that, if he undoes this great and wonderful gift he's given to us I will, in fact, go insane and have to kill him. I was gutted when the event that was recently undone occurred a few years back because dammit I wanted the Ultimate Universe to be DIFFERENT from the regular, and what better way than that? But then he went and made that horrible, horrible decision. And now it's all fixed.

So yay Bendis!! YAY!!

Like my attempt at spoiler freedom? Somebody tell me I don't need to keep it spoiler free so I can celebrate properly...

On the subject of awards though, please tell me there's a "greatest resurrection" award, because I can think of half a dozen names that should be thrown in there, especially after the somewhat confusing return at the end of Secret Invasion.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 3:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you note before the spoilers that there are spoilers then everyone is forewarned and you can say what you want.

Ultimate Spider-Man 128 was a good edition and the resurrection of Gwen was an unexpected but welcome touch!


And to Boy Wonder, yes Ultimates 3 was a completely different angle to the first two.... the first two were well written, made sense and looked fantastic.  The new one was badly written, gibberish and trite and didn't look as good (though not terrible).
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 5:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Y'see, I understand why Ultimates 3 has its critics; really, I do.

But it's not as if Marvel hadn't made it clear that Jeph Loeb's Ultimates would be a completely different proposition to Mark Millar's. There was no point Loeb following up with more of the same (politically motivated super-heroics with a Silver Age inspiration). Loeb made Ultimates more a classic super hero title; one that allowed you to leave your brain at the front page and collect again at the end. Sure, his script wasn't great and there were plot-points that occurred that were completely pointless: Steve Rogers posing as Black Panther.

The art was excellent but I'm an unashamed Joe Madureria fan. I'd be happy reading any title with his art (and I did; I paid for Battle Chasers!).

It did build my interest for Ultimatum and, in that sense, served a purpose: stoked me enough to want to read the next chapter. Maybe Marvel saw me coming. Who knows?
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 23, 2008 8:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know they said it was going to go in a completely different direction and I can live with a different direction but at least make it good/coherent/not have dialogue that was written by a 12 yr old!  I think that was the thing that grated the most with me, the awful dialogue and complete lack of understanding of the characters that had previously been built up.  It should go without saying that if you are taking over on a series then you should understand how the characters have been designed to talk and carry themselves.  Loeb seems to have read all the rules on bad character design and gone nuts!
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 06, 2009 12:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So issue four has just been released.

What does everyone think so far?
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 06, 2009 4:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Reaper wrote:
So issue four has just been released.

What does everyone think so far?


I was disgusted to see Ultimatum involved in the death of Peter Parker. I felt USM was going downhill with USM #132, and I can see now that it did so just to involve Ultimatum.

Otherwise, there's nothing to say that everyone on the internet hasn't already said.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 06, 2009 5:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wasn't the fact that it was part of the Ultimate universe enough of an idea that it might be part of Ultimatum?
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 06, 2009 10:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Wasn't the fact that it was part of the Ultimate universe enough of an idea that it might be part of Ultimatum?


No. I just presumed Spider-man's story would be separate from the main event, as it has been for every issue except the last.

To quote an earlier rant in my reviews topic:

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If there's one thing that I hate worse than a simply bad comic, it's a wasted opportunity. An occasion where the writer is in a perfect position to bring out our emotions as readers, and yet doesn't take it. USM #132 is a prime example of that.

Despite most people's abhorrance of USM's connection to Jeph Loeb's Ultimatum, I have always thought that the Ultimatum Wave, which destroyed New York, was a perfect image with which to bring down Peter Parker's career as Spider-man. The depiction of Spider-man saving civilians from floodridden homes is immediately relatable with the natural disaster images we see on television, and a perfect way to showcase Spider-man's nature as a down-to-earth hero. If his collapse was brought about by exhaustion, it would have demonstrated his own mortality, serving as a fitting memoir for all the real people who save lives from situations like these.

So why the fuck did Bendis bring this Dr. Strange plot device out from nowhere!? It's completely irrelevant and disconnected from the context of the Ultimatum Wave. There's no way to emphathise with Peter's plight in this story, and Peter's apparent death just loses all emotional significance. It's not badly written, but I could not be more pissed off that Bendis decided this was the way Peter should go. With a magic explosion.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 5:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Generally though the event comics have an impact on the ongoing titles, e.g Civil War & Amazing Spider-Man, they were quite closely tied together.

The fact that Ultimatum was designed to affect every Ultimate universe (and this was quite heavily advertised) means that it inevitable that it will include Spider-Man in that.  Which makes your objections to it somewhat moot.

While I feel that the Stephen Strange story in USM was an unusual route to go down it does address the issue of what happens when New York is involved in a major catastrophe and you have places of immense power like Stranges' house situated there.

In terms of having Spider-Mans apparent death in USM rather than Ultimatum itself, it means they dedicate more time to that story and flesh it would which they couldn't in an event piece.



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