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| Web of Fear |
WatchmenA sneaky screen caption (apparently........).
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| The Rascal King |
Rorschach! Woo!
Awsome. |
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| Zombix |
yeah i heard that a secret screen cap from the new 300 trailer. well the director IS directing the watchmen movie after 300... | ||||
| Robin The Boy Wonder |
I think I've just wet my pants. | ||||
| Web of Fear |
Will Alan Moore be happy with this adaptation?
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| Reaper |
A friend of mine was talking about this a while ago and was saying that a proper adaption just wouldn't happen in Hollywood because of the things that happen in the source material, have to admit I@ve not read the source so I can't comment. What do you guys think? | ||||
| Robin The Boy Wonder |
I completely agree.
I think the adaptation of V For Vendetta could be held up as an excellent support for that argument. The graphic novel is amazing and deftly handles a strong political message that simply cannot be translated into a Hollywood movie for a typical Hollywood-standardised audience. Same with Watchmen. The story about the heroes can easily be adapted but the political messages beneath? Not sure. But this then leads to my fear about Watchmen. Watchmen is a 12 issue limited series that deftly moves from topic to topic, character to character, without missing a single bloody beat. It's earned its reputation as the best comic book ever written. I just cannot see how this can be translated to a 2 & 1/2 hour movie without removing tons of story in the process. Personally, I'd prefer it if they made an HBO TV mini-series out of it (8 episodes perhaps?) that can actually translate the whole frickin' thing. And you've not read Watchmen? I can't recommend it enough. It will blow your mind. Literally. And then you'll need to re-read it - you get far more out of a second (and third) reading than you do the first. It's that good. |
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| Reaper |
Yeah? Cool how much is it? (Not that I have any money).
An HBO series type thing would be good, maybe if the writers of Heroes got involved. |
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| waffle |
I did originally call shenanigans on this, but having seen this on AICN, I've changed my mind a little:
"The image seems to be of Rorshach... a major character from WATCHMEN, Zach Snyder's next project. Although - there seems to be some question about whether or not that image is genuine. Well, I guarantee you it is. At Butt-Numb-A-Thon, Zach let me have a peek at his iPod, where that image was stored at the time, with a good deal more images, that I didn't get a peek at. This isn't final film still, but one of many test shots that Zach has done for WATCHMEN." so I say sw33t! |
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| Reaper |
Nopes it an official test shot, its even on Empires Website | ||||
| Robin The Boy Wonder |
Well, according to this very website, it's £14.99.
I'd recommend selling yourself for it. It'll be worth every penny. |
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| kingmouse |
Just go to canterbury library and ask them to send a copy down for you. I made them buy like 5 or 6 for the county stock when I worked there so they shouldn't have any trouble getting it.
The movie won't be the same as the comic because the comic relies so heavily on doing clever things with the comic book format. That said there's plenty in the book to get a good film out of so if they're careful in what they keep and what they discard then I'd say it's possible to get something enjoyable. I actually think that Watchmen is a little bit long winded and a tad self indulgent. It's a good read, but I don't think it's the ultimate comentary on everything that ever existed as some people insist. It's clever, but I wouldn't say it's Moore's best. For that you're better off looking at his shorter stuff. |
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| Robin The Boy Wonder |
Library?!? Are you seriously suggesting that he go and rent it?!?
Infidel! This is the Mighty Whatever Comics Forum! Posters have had their spleens removed for less!!! 
Borrow it if you like. You'll still want to buy it when all is said and done. Unless you simply steal it from the library. Or the shop - if you run hard and fast enough, CapO will soon run out of steam. Especially if you run toward Burger King/McDonalds! 
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| Guest |
Watchmen gets better with age. The older you get the more you appreciate it. And the more times you reread it the better it gets too.
After reading it once or twice I felt the same way Kingmouse does now. After 5 or 6 times I went and got hold of the Absolute Watchmen so now I can truly geek out in style!!! And yeah - u can try running if you like. Mind you, if I catch you I will jump up and down on your head for at least 10 mins. And you have to ask yourself, is anything worth the risk of that??? |
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| Reaper |
I'll try and do you one tomorrow Robin, though its a shame about Jessica :'(
Also tomorrow I'll retype the info I sent you last week that the internet killed. |
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| Robin The Boy Wonder |
Thanks bud. Maybe we could run a poll displaying both sigs and the one with the most votes is the one I use. Although Jessica Alba will have to play a prominent role here before the FF movie anyway...
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| Reaper |
So the latest news on this is the casting list. though I've read its not completely confirmed there does seem to be a certain amount of validity to it. So here it is.....
Kate Winslet as Silk Spectre Patrick Wilson as Night Owl Jason Patric as Dr. Manhattan Jude Law as Ozymandias Thomas Jane as The Comedian Jeremy Irons as Moloch Virginia Madsen as Sally Jupiter Jonah Hill as Seymour Henry Gibson as Mr. Figure William Fichtner as Detective Fine Noah Emmerich as Captain Metropolis Gretchen Mol as Janey Slater They're still looking for the right person to fill Rorschach's shoes though. Its a good cast list so if the rest of the film is done properly then the last thing we should need to worry about is the acting.... though saying that Eragon had a good cast too.... |
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| Robin The Boy Wonder |
I like the idea of Kate Winslet as Silk Spectre...
Of course, I just like Kate Winslet!
I wasn't aware that Watchmen was this far advanced though... any news on when shooting is likely to start...? |
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| Reaper |
Not from what I've seen no, anything appears I'll post it up asap
And I'm currently reading the graphic novel as well
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| Robin The Boy Wonder |
How are you finding the graphic novel? | ||||
| waffle |
I imagine he just remembers where he left it. |
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| Reaper |
Waffle you smartarse
Its good so far, very different to most of the other stuff I've read. Very different style and so far not much in the way of action or fighting, just back story. Nearing the end of the history of Captain Manhattan. |
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| Robin The Boy Wonder |
I'm sure he's got Sarah to do that for him.
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| Reaper |
Yep 
Finished reading the Rorschach issue today, probably the best so far, definitely the most interesting and will probably give me another reason to read through this again at some point. |
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| Reaper |
More of the cast is being revealed since last week and today Ozymandias is the most recent addition. So far we have Adrian Veidt playing as Ozymandias, Jackie Earle Haley as Rorschach, Billy Crudup as Dr. Manhattan, Patrick Wilson as Nite Owl, and Malin Ackerman (Will find the picture I saw) as Silk Spectre. | ||||
| Reaper |
Carla Gugino has joined the cast as the Silk Spectre.... This has to be good
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| Batmanuel |
Boy Wonder:
See... now your getting the hang of this No Prize thing 
Reaper:
I am not saying a word, honest, not a word...
Back to the Watchmen, its a product of its time, a pinnacle in graphic story telling, if you could only ever read one graphic novel in your life then this is it. if you have never read a graphic novel and had to read one before you die then this is it, and i really don't see how a film will be able to improve on it, so best leave it alone i think. |
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| Reaper |
Realistically you're probably right, I personally don't think they'll do a bad job of it but it won't be as good as the Graphic Novel. Friend of mine thinks it will be awful | ||||
| Reaper |
If all you charmers are interested, Zach the director has posted an entry on his video blog after his first week of shooting.
Link here |
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| Guest |
Link didn't work for me 
With regards to Batmanuels point, I agree that they are unlikly to be able to improve it, but if they can do a half decent job, like 300 or Sin City, neither of which improved the original, but did get people buying the oringinal book then its a job well done. If it acheives that, then bring it on! |
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| Reaper |
Snyder is going to make the Black Freighter aside and place it on the dvd for the Watchmen. | ||||
| Guest |
humourous anecdote:
the guy i used to live with has a mother (as most of us do), but she differed from most mother's in that she's an award-winning make-up artist (we found various gold statuettes in cupboards whilst looking for scrabble). The morning after a barbecue at their house, i was sat in the garden with orange juice and watchmen (actually a pretty good hangover cure) only to be approached by his mother asking me where i'd found her copy of watchmen. I explained that the copy was my own, and expressed my surprise at her owning a copy, and she explained that she'd got it free when she signed up to do the makeup on the movie. Unfortunately, this was one of the earlier attempts to get it made, and not the current one, so no free visits to the set for us, alas... |
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| CatFang |
So completely agree with this. Also as the entire thing about Watchmen is that it is as much an experiment in, and comment on, the entire comics "form" translating it into any other medium will necessarily lose the "something" that makes it "Watchmen", rather than a version of "what happens in Watchmen" . If the film were to have the same impact as the comic then it would have to use / subvert / manipulate the conventions of its own medium in the same way. This would kind of make it fulfil the same purpose but in a way appropriate to the means of its telling (or retelling, if you like.) I have always maintained that "Watchmen the comic" is unfilmable, and this is probably still the case. But maybe with Zack Snyder "Watchmen the film" might just work. His sensitivity in his adaptation of 300 was fantastic. Well, that is if sensitivity is the right word to use regarding a film about ultra violent men in little pants How much of the politics stays intact though will be interesting to see, as will how many "necessary changes" are made.
By putting the Black Freighter sequence on the DVD I think he is doing the best he can to give both "casual" and "fan" audiences what they want. Those who go only want the theatrical version to find out "the plot" will get the core story (but hopefully be intrigued enough to read the book) - and the fans who buy the DVD will get something extra. Given the fact that "Hollywood" thought audiences couldn't deal with Kill Bill or Grindhouse without them being broken up into 2 shorter films it is something of a result. I hope there will be the option to watch the Black Freighter scenes intercut with the main feature. Still, whether 2, or even 3, hours can do any sort of justice to it remains to be seen. Personally I think it needs a Lord of The Rings kind of 12 hour treatment to make it have any kind of chance of working. Having refused to see V for Vendetta and "Constan - teen"" on principle (poor Alan Moore - why is it his comics get so massacred by Hollywood and Frank Miller's get such lovely adaptations recently?) I am quite looking forward to this. Especially now Jude Law doesn't seem to have a part in it.
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| Reaper |
V for Vendetta was a good film, though I have to admit I've not read the graphic novel so probably haven't got a base to compare. Though just regarded as a it is pretty well done. | ||||
| CatFang |
Yep
I've heard the same thing from others - even some who have read the comics - that as a film in its own right it's perfectly fine. As V is my favourtie comic ever though, I just can't accept some of the very fundamental changes they have made to character, plot and core themes. I often wonder why producers bother to license a title to make a different story. Why not just write your own story from the outset if that's what you are going to do anyway? People who have prior positive associations with the title - the ones they are hoping to attract by buying the rights - will not be happy, and those with no prior associations will not care if it is called that or something different. You should definitely read it though. |
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| Web of Fear |
I guess it is a nice easy way to market the movie. *In movie trailer guy voice* "From the acclaimed novel by ........." I don't think it's as straightforward as saying people with no association with the source material won't care. If a well known book is adapted for the screen there's probably an audience of people who either haven't yet read it, or just don't generally read. |
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| CatFang |
yeah - I was just being flippant
But in general though - WHY????? I have been told by Cy I have to watch V for Vendetta tonight so I that I have at least seen what I am talking about before I go "having a good reckon" on the internet.... So we'll see if my worst fears are confirmed - not that I am going in with any preconceptions.... |
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| Xeall |
I liked V, maybe wouldn't if i new the original fiction, but all the same good for the general audience who have no idea its a comic. they go see it and then the fans see it, win win.
David Hayter is writting watchmen, MR Hayter is god, nothing will be wrong with this film! Nuf said |
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| CatFang |
OK I have watched V now so I can make informed opinions.
Well, that is I have watched it apart from the last 2 scenes when my DVD player apparently gave up in horror at what I was asking it to do. All I have to say is "WHY GOD, WHY????" It made me throw up in my mouth a little. 
Fingers crossed for Zack Snyder and David Hayter, then. |
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| Guest |
I love V the comic and enjoyed V the film.
Yes it was simplified, but I felt the core story was there and the motvations for the characters were mostly acuurate. Still, i am still refusing to watch Constatiiiiiinnnne on princable, so fair enough!! Anyway I only came here to say I feel that the Watchmen can only be judged as a film when the Directors-Cut-Extended-Sceens-Deleted-Extras-Super-15 hour eddition is released on DVD. We know stuff will be cut from the cinema release, so if we can be strong and hold out for that, we MIGHT get the film we deserve. |
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| kingmouse |
Film can never translate the story of a book perfectly, nor should it try to. Books are books because that's the format they work best in so the only artistic reason to make a movie of them is to tell the story in a slightly different way using techniques that work better in film than text.
If you love a book/comic and go to see a movie then the best thing you can do for yourself is to shelve the preconceptions and judge the film as a piece of art in it's own regard. Watchmen is pretty close to the perfect graphic novel, it exists and nothing a movie does can take anything away from that. |
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| CatFang |
Just a year and a quarter to wait ... | ||||
| Batmanuel |
KM:
Now dont take this the wrong way, but i am really starting to worry about you, in a nice way, you know like the good Samaritan who helps the fallen man when no one else will, like the doctor in the asylum who give you the full frontal lobotomy because its good for you kind of way, no wait, forget that last bit on second thoughts forget the first bit
Cap O:
You Lucky Devil You (for not haveing watched it that is)
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| kingmouse |
It's a doorstop of a comic book containing dialogue which doesn't fully translate to spoken word (Moore's is the sort of languge you have to read over to get the full effect, not hear once and move on) and some of the themes haven't aged as well as others. You're simply not going to get a perfect page to screen carbon copy. |
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| Batmanuel |
KM:
Well, Sin City springs to mind, but at least they could try to make it reasonabley accurate to the original story the writer wrote,, i was talking to an old friend today who i haven't seen for 10 years, and he asked me what i thought of the Watchmen film being made, my first reaction to the question was, some things are best left alone, but then after a moment thought, if they insist in making it, i said, worst possible case scenario is League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, best possible case scenario is V For Vendetta. |
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| Xeall |
thats my point genrally with films sourced off other media, at least try to remain true to the original source and not stray cos you think this is cooler! Thousands of people bought that item because of liking the original that should give it away. If it ain't broke don't fix it!
Now go back and fix all the computer game films you have ever made! You broke them! and my heart..........  ..........god i'm so alone.....
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| Reaper |
There there its ok Xeall.....
Anyway a litte bit more casting news for Watchmen... Matt Frewer has been cast as Molloch. Frewer was widely known in the 80s as Max Headroom and also starred in the Dawn of the Dead remake few years ago. |
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| Reaper |
Some details and Pictures! of the set for Watchmen.
Interesting random facts.... here |
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| Robin The Boy Wonder |
It can only be a good thing that I instantly recognised the news stand. At a glance, it looks almost as if it's been ripped from the page...
I'm still only cautiously optimistic about this though... |
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| CatFang |
So pleased it doesn't look like a sound stage
I think Zack Snyder was very faithful to the look of 300 so I am expecting good visuals even if they have to cut down on the complexity of the plot. |
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| norsefire1 |
haveing just re read the book the other day, and from what i know is going on the dvd i.e what the movie is missing out, i think this film will be a mess, it may be a awesome mess, a film one can see over and over, but its leaving so much of what makes the book good out already, i cant see it haveing the magic the book does. just to extend on what catfang said i think that if you translate something from panel to panel, frame for frame, unless your a 6-13 hr bbc/itv/hbo drama your going to lose the books vibe,soul,tone,feel whatever, and your just going to have a shell of a plot, hollywood is good at doing this to alan moore (lxg,v,from hell) | ||||
| Web of Fear |
Looks like The Black Freighter segment will be done, albiet as a DVD extra.
http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=22088 |
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| Web of Fear |
Rorschach and The Comedian look good. Night Owl seems a bit more buff than he is the comics. Net sure about the other two.
No Dr Manhattan. Will he be concealing his modesty in the movie? |
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| The Rascal King |
Oh JOY!
Strictly speaking, they're not colourful enough, but I suppose with the state of Superheros in pop culture at the moment, thats to be expected. Rosarch looks perfect, but I suppose a trenchcoat and fedora is hard to get wrong. Night Owl shold have more of a gut though.
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| CatFang |
Yep Rorshach and the Comedian both look good. I like the Night Owl - yes, he should be a bit chubbier but they probably won't do that for a superhero lead.
There seems to be something wrong with Oxymandias' legs though. Maybe it's just the angle or the lighting or something. The colours are much more subdued, but I like the effect. Has the rights issue that was threatening to hold up production been resolved now then? |
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| Xeall |
ok i'm off down the shop to buy the trade paper back, i'm losing more and more memories of this comic by the day. Remember i found this in my school libary and gave it extra awesome credit for that reason | ||||
| Robin The Boy Wonder |
I think the reason Nite Owl is looking so... ...trim... ...is that Snyder is considering how a mainstream audience may react to a super human character with a belly - they simply wouldn't be able to take the character seriously.
Which would be bad for Watchmen - because then the mainstream audience won't take the movie seriously and it will flop pathetically. The hardest part about naking a comic book movie is making some sacrifices to translate the material to a non-comic book reading audience. Some are easier to work with than others (300, Sin City); others less so (Constantine). I think that, in the long-term, we should forgive them that; however, after browsing the Newsarama forums yesterday, our American friends are far more theatrical, OTT and less forgiving. Twats. |
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| Web of Fear |
The Owl Ship looks quite good. | ||||
| The Rascal King |
Surely the Spetics would be able to relate more to an overweight superhero?
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| kingmouse |
I can go for Nite Owl's costume, he's a techno-geek so there's no reason he can't have a souped up outfit. Plus we don't know yet whether they're moving the timeline up slightly. So a more modern feel might actually be suitable.
My concern is that Veit looks very young in that photo, the fact that the heroes are in their 40s is a big part of Watchmen so I'm hoping that's been retained. |
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| Longshot |
Yet more coolness, although Hooded Justice looks like a dork.
I'm very excited for this, interested in how it will work really. Did anyone catch Mr Moore in Oribital comics in Charring cross road on Sat, I only found out when I was walking past and found out he was leaving already, bummer. They were selling Black Dossier, surely thats still illegal isnt it??? |
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| Web of Fear |
I think they're all meant to look a bit dorky. 
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| norsefire1 |
first trailer from 5am online at the empire mag web site from friday. | ||||
| Web of Fear |
Quick! Before it gets taken down!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuwIpihrFUc |
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| norsefire1 |
well there we have it, all in all a trailer for the people who have read the book and i got to say it looks like they are going to be close to the book. all looking good. | ||||
| Robin The Boy Wonder |
OK, that does look good. 
Boy Wonder wees himself in anticipation... |
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| CatFang |
It has the "defenestration shot"!!!!
I love the bit where the owl ship flies up from the water - woooo And my fears of Dr Manhattan looking like a man in blue paint are not realised - hooray! |
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| Batmanuel |
Boy Wonder:
You do realise that they are all unregistered, or are they? |
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| Robin The Boy Wonder |
Registered or unregistered.
Who gives a shit? This is Watchmen!
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| Batmanuel |
Being as this seems to be getting removed everytime soneone posts it.
here is another attempt to show the Watchmen Movie Trailer |
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| Xeall |
just found a comment on a interview with david hayter on his role in MGS4. Apperently Alan Moore (who as we know is a harsh critic) said
'David Hayters screen play was as close as i could imagine any one getting to watchmen' As previously mentioned David Hayter appart from voicing solid snake in the Metal gear series, wrote the screenplay for X-men, X2 and unfortunatly Scorpian king. So Good news with comments from Mr Moore? |
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| Batmanuel |
Hmmm
You know the old saying, age gracefully, well... Alan Moore (who as we know is a harsh critic) said... it was a favor honest, It was a favor, i didn't even know what i was signing, sell out Alan was last seen buying very, very expensive tea in a very very very expensive tea shop. laughing demonically while ranting V - V good for your heart... it is said that a mushroom is Fed on bullshit and kept in the dark, but once fully grown can lead to great enlargement. Then again, you could just get wasted. What the F**k is he talking about, i hear you ask? mind your own f**king business 
More on this and more on that later folks, sincerely. |
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| Xeall |
all our fears are true!!!!!! |
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| Batmanuel |
I fear that you may have clocked this while i was updating it, want to see more? CLICK HERE | ||||
| Web of Fear |
New posters online and are viewable here, but to save (part of) the bother of clicking, here's the Silk Spectre.
I think that the makers have done a good job with the look of the characters. Let's hope they've done the same with the plot. 
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| Web of Fear |
New trailer too!
http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/1808406490/video/10658091 |
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| Reaper |
It's a good trailer, though not as good as the first one because I think it gives too much of the surprise away.
I have heard just recently that the squid ending is being replace, I think need to read the book again as I have a real blank in mind when it comes to the 'squid' ending. |
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| Robin The Boy Wonder |
I think it does make sense for the squid ending to be replaced for a motion picture.
We have to remember that Watchmen is a very serious film and, while it may work for the comic, it may not necessarily translate too well to film. I remember how Hollywood handled Galactus in FF2. They hinted that there was a giant being living within the planet-eating cloud and that was as far as they needed to go. Had they actually gone that extra mile and shown Galactus, I think the entire cinema would erupt into laughs at the sight of a giant man in huge purple leather. Same scenario with the giant squid. |
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| Xeall |
I heard this aswell. Its more bringing it up to date with the rest of the world. I imagine it will be a giant robot or a bomb or something as easily replacable within the plot boundaries. Not something to get fanboy up in arms about. | ||||
| Longshot |
Wow, Just Wow.
First trailer I've seen, and it looks amazing, truly amazing. I think the squid thing should probably be changed, but it shouldn't be a bomb or anything, as it still needs to be supernatural and psycick. |
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| Batmanuel |
While the Watchmen is being hotly disputed the March release could be in jeopardy, read on http://www.whatevercomics.com/#/watchmendispute/4532539142
Its amazing how the smell of money brings out the sharks, shit and i used to be laughed at for reading comics. i kind of wish i still was
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| Reaper |
It has now been settled. Warner Bros will be paying Fox a large undisclosed amount for the rights and a percentage of the Box Office takings. Which means the march release is going ahead. | ||||
| CatFang |
Alan Moore's magic must not have worked then
Getting more and more disinterested the more I see of it though. |
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| Batmanuel |
Cat:
Me Too...Yawn, oh how i crave something new! |
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| Batmanuel |
Check out http://www.whatevercomics.com/ home page for more about this. click the link, scroll down, and post your thoughts. on the subject of the whatever comics homepage it seems that Alan Moore produce seems to be taking over. |
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| Web of Fear |
Some nifty portraits from the movie: http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=24083 | ||||
| Web of Fear |
Black Freighter trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zUgBK0-qbo | ||||
| norsefire1 |
only thing is we are going to have to hang on till the 6th of april till 'black freighter' is out in the uk
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| Batmanuel |
yep, that sucks, no doubt those who cant wait we will be able to download it from certain sources
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| Batmanuel |
And as the Watchmen draws ever closer, only days now, we must have seen all sorts of television transmitted trailers, mmmm TTT's sounds like a disease, sorry where was i.
Oh yeah, Watchmen Movie, are we ready? and did anyone see Jonathan Ross's review on Film 2009? check this out too. http://www.whatevercomics.com/#/watchmendispute/4532539142 |
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| The Rascal King |
So.
Watchmen. Skip to the end... I loved it. Thats literally all I have to say. Its public knowledge that they changed the end (no giant vagina-faced Squid), but I thought it worked very well. Its amazing, and you should all not be on your computers right now, and go and watch it. Go on. .....Are you still here? Watch it! |
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| CatFang |
Watched it last night - also loved it.
Of course it is not "the comic on the screen" - but as adaptations go I'd put it up with Lord Of The Rings. Od course certain things were taken out / changed but that was going to happen. I think it does what the best adaptations do - capture the essence and main plot beats of the original and translate them to another medium. I don't know where these points are supposed to be in the film where it "drags on" I didn't feel that at all. It looks spectacular and the soundtrack is spot on. High Points: The Comedian was perfect The opening credits - wow (I know that sounds strange but you will see what I mean) Dr Manhattan in Vietnam Cutting back on the "having Dr Manhattan on Mars doing the Dr Exposition bit" and showing it instead worked better for me as I always (shhh) found that issue a bit boring. I want a real Bubastis! The sex scene was cheesily perfect. No real "low" points but: Rorshach's journal doesn't really work as voiceover, but it was not written to be spoken. Also he doesn't come across as so uncompromising as he does in the book, but I am not sure why. I wished Rorshach's mask had been shiny not fabricy. The fighting scenes are much "bigger" than in the comic - but I think they needed it to get over the same feel/impact on a big screen in 2009. Would have liked to keep more of the ending of the book beyond just the "squid thing" about how the aftermath is resolved, and Jon "skipping" in time as he is confused by the tachyons - but they are minor gripes. Re the ending: Given I don't buy the premise of the original plan - that a common enemy will draw the world together (people are as likely to worship it, try to collaborate with it, use the opportunity to get one in on distracted enemies etc as all decide to team up on it) it didn't make much difference to the overall story - other than I think without the telepathy to convince them otherwise the US and the USSR would still have launched the missiles. However I think the ending of the book was better. |
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| The Rascal King |
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| CatFang |
"This despicable trash will find an audience among sad sociopaths, deranged pseudo-intellectuals and brutalised, immature men of all ages. I just hope that there aren't enough of them to make it a hit. If there are, God help cinema."
That will be us then
Right |
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| The Rascal King |
Love the Watchmen Saturday morning Cartoon show.
How about Hitler Finds out about the Changed Ending |
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| Robin The Boy Wonder |
Saturday Morning Watchmen.
Heh. I love Saturday Morning Rorschach cuddling puppies and being so funny. Pure genius. In other Watchmen news: Watchmen topped the US box office at the weekend, with an estimated $55.7 million take. Depending upon where you read the article, this is both an excellent achievement and also a catastrophic disaster (I think it depends on whether or not the relevant publication is supposed to like Watchmen). There are some items of interest here to take note of. Firstly, Watchmen is the 12th highest opening of all time for a comic book movie, the 6th highest opening for an R-rated (US) movie and the 2nd highest opening for any DC Comics property (behind only The Dark Knight - surprise, surprise). All of this sounds really good until you realise Watchmen isn't going to break even with its cinema release and will likely not do so until its eventual DVD sales. Y'see, even though Watchmen was reportedly made for $120 million, it will likely need a figure north of $400 million to break even, due to the number of organisations involved in the background (Warner Bros, Fox, Paramount & Legendary Pictures). Still, just over a week from now, I'll form my own opinion. Oh... and Cat...? You're not the only one who found the Dr Manhattan exposition slightly boring, just as I found Tales of the Black Freighter distracted me too heavily from the main story. I'll say this next one really quietly... there seems to be an opinion that Watchmen and Frank Miller's The Dark Knight are the two leading examples of our medium, with Watchmen considered the better of the two. Personally, I prefer The Dark Knight; but only just. |
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| Web of Fear |
I'd probably agree with what you say CatFang.
The voiceover in particular really grated. mainly because I thought Rorschach's voice somehow seemed sillier that Christian Bale's Bat-vocals.
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