Torchwood

Batmanuel · Torchwood

somehow we lost the original posts placed on this suject but as a refresh.

i put up a post asking what you all thought of the show after watching the 1st episode. ( i enjoyed it )

web of fear replied with a telling of how bad the 3rd episode was with the cyberwoman and posted a cool pic.

i agreed that this episode was not good , i belive i stated that the acting was so bad from a certain individual that i wanted to hurt him

web posted something about how tolarent his employer was not to so much as give him a writen warning or anything.

phew!!!

anyway i have now watched 5 episodes and the last two episodes have been (i think) rather good. so as a summery
First two episodes good but had some faults:
third episode was feking aufull:
fouth and fifth episode really very good:

overall 8/10

its nice to have something to watch, trust me when the wife controls the tv most of the time.
thank Zeus for my computer. is all i can say.

Web of Fear

By popular demand, the cyberchick returns Cool

Web of Fear

I didn't think that the episode with the faries was all that great.

I quite liked the episode with the cannibals. Someone I work with has stayed at the cottage where Jack, Gwen and Mr Guppy from Bleak House (can't remember the character's name) get stuck. He was lucky. He managed to survive.....

Wasn't too keen on this weeks episode where Tosh gets the mind reading necklace thing. Won't give any more away if you're watching it on BBC2.

Overall, I quite like it but I do think that it's trying too hard to be an "adult" show, as opposed to it's more family oriented parent show.

Batmanuel

Hurrah we have the Cyber-Woman back,
and overall i quite like it too, but i have to agree with you that it's trying too hard to be an "adult" show, i mean you can have adult entertainment without shagging (am i allowed to say that?) in it cant you, now Cracker was one of the best adult TV shows ive ever seen and that didn't have a lot of shagging (sorry) in it, a bit but not a lot, didnt' need it did it?

Web of Fear

Just finished watching Doctor Who season two on DVD. Interesting that the London Torchwood is some mega organization that builds and works out of Canary Wharf, and has teams of technicians, scientists and a private army and is equipped with huge hangers to store alien technology.

Torchwood Cardiff consists of five weirdos working in the basement....

Guest

Robin The Boy Wonder

Batmanuel

You know what you dont dare go out in a wooly jumper in Cardiff Smile

Guest

<sigh>

From Torchwood to Sheep shagging in 8 posts... Shocked

Only on here... !! Rolling Eyes

Robin The Boy Wonder

Guest

The ONLY thing that could make Emerdale more interesting is the detination of a nuclear devise!!!

Ditto Eastenders

Ditto Corrie

Ditto any of the other mind numbing, soul destroying rubbish that lurks under the heading of "soap" on TV.

Oh and I do mean lock all the cast, writters and crew in an underground bunker and detonate a actual nuke!!!

Even I might watch that episode!!!

Batmanuel

Sorry cant stop,
Gotta see a man about a small nuclear device.
Very Happy

Guest

Batmanuel

Cap Wrote:

Guest

I didn't know u had it in you!!!!

Very Happy

Web of Fear

Ok' I'll leave discussion of the the main plot of last night's episode until after it's been shown on BBC2 so as to avoid spoilers of the main plot (save to say it's getting sillier).

There is one minor plot point (and minor spoiler though, so avert you eyes if you don't want to know).

So Ianto (the tea boy) is madly in love with Lisa (the cyberwoman). He is so in love with her, that he takes her partially cyberconverted body and hides it in the Torchwood basement, regardless of the danger she poses to everyone else. She breaks out, and he refuses to help in stopping her, despite the deaths that ensue. When he's ordered to help stop her, he calls Jack a monster worse than anything he's encounted from outer space, and when he gets the chance, he will let Jack die (so we can take it he doesn't like him then). At the end of the episode he clearly seething with resentment.

In the "Deliverance" episode, he's upset at the mention of her name alone.

So how come at the end of this week's episode he and Jack share a bit of pathos and (at Ianto's suggestion) Jack sends everyone else home early so he and Ianto can have a bit of man on man fun (and share something more than pathos)?

Hardly seems like consistent character development....... Shocked

Web of Fear

Just found out from Outpost Gallifrey that Captain Opinion's mate Dan Abnett has written one of the Torchwood tie in novels.

Here's a link to the cover image.

http://208.100.12.85/picview.php?...ws&sub=news&id=border.jpg

Congratulations Dan!

Guest

OOops sorry thought everyone knew!!!

Dan writes lots and lots of things!! Check out his website at http://www.danabnett.com/ for more info.

Dont forget to look at his damn fine monkeys!

Oh and say hi for me!!

Web of Fear

It is mentioned in the interview in the "Our Website" section of the forum, but now there's a picture to look at. Cool

Batmanuel

Batmanuel

Well im off to watch the latest episode of Torchwood, bye for now.

Batmanuel

just watched the latest episode of torchwood, and enjoyed it, but there in lies a question, is that Owen a dirty F**ker or what, i mean first Gwen then the lost in time girl, is there nothing he wont do it to? not bad for an ugly B**tard is it.

Web of Fear

Yes, he is the Austin Powers of Torchwood.

Web of Fear

Alright so the first series has finished. Final thoughts? I found the series a bit dissapointing. I know it wanted be a bit more mature than Doctor Who, but the "adult" aspect of the show just seem to amount to endless graphic sex references, and graphic violence/imagery, all of which seemed to be there simply for the sake of it, rather than driving the plot forward. I also don't like TV that's just horrible people being horrible to each other (and that's just the team Smile

).

I thought that the best bit of the last episode was hearing the TARDIS arrive to whisk Jack away (which doesn't say much about the episode).

I was also a bit stunned with the "Alien Fight Club" episode, given how much it seemed to take from, er, Fight Club.

Here's to hoping for more from season two.

waffle

Torchwood was soooo disappointing. The first couple of episodes were great, and then it just went downhill.

I think a large part of the problem is the 'adult' content.

24 is an adult series, but I don't think I've ever heard profanity in any of the episodes, nor has there been any sex. Not that I have a problem with them you understand - just that it feels out of place, and shoved in there solely to justify the 'adult' tag.

The other problem is Owen. He is a dreadful, dreadful character, and manages to kill most episodes and undermine their logic.

Take the finale for example: SPOILER!!!!!

He opened the rift TWICE, nearly destroyed the planet.

The shot his boss IN THE HEAD!

But Jack forgives him.

Er... in most places, if you nick some post-its, you get fired.

This guy can disobey orders repeatedly and murder his boss, but gets away with it.

The ending was cool though. About time there was some Doctor action.

One question: The creature that was unleashed on Cardiff. Was that the same thing that was chained up in the bowels of some planet in series 2 of Who?

Web of Fear

waffle

heh, thanks. didn't know whether I should introduce myself, or just pile on in. I went for piling.

Batmanuel

Waffle:

Web of Fear

Have to agree Batmanuel. When I watch sci-fi, I want to see sci-fi themes, as opposed to stories about repressed sexuality...

Guest

Any story can work as long as its well done.

We have already established that Cap Jack swung both ways in his Dr Who apperances - but it was tastefully done and a small part of a story.

However by all accounts it was done vey, very badly in Torchwood....

norsefire1

well i thought that the first episiode of season 2 was lots of fun, james masters did not over act which was good. and the tone of the show has changed for the better. thought it was good all round. bring on the rest.

what do others think Question

Web of Fear

I wasn't 100% convinced by the first episode but was glad to see there was a bit of a shift to try and make the characters more likeable and include more humour. I thought that the deadpan line "Excuse me, have you seen a blowfish driving a sports car?" was funny.

I do think that the Torchwood writers still seem to be substiuting making a character gay or bisexual a substiute for making them interesting though.

Guest

thought the first episode was ok.

Web of Fear

Yes, but do we need to be reminded of this in almost every episode in such a tactless and unsubtle way. It was so obvious what was going to happen when Jack and John first stared at each other in the bar, I'd have been surprised if they hadn't kissed.

We get it .....

Things like Captain Jack saying "Hello" to everyone and the Doctor saying "Stop it" (from Utopia), or Captain John being driven down the road fancying everything that moved, including a poodle, make the point in a much funnier and subtle way.

Besides, RTD's point that in the future everyone is bisexual, suggests that he thinks that it's some form of human evolution, strikes me as being utter bollocks ...

Batmanuel

Web of:

Reaper

Would explain a lot

Kikari

rofl, I just bought both series so Torchwood all night for me

Batmanuel

Kikari:

Kikari

Rofl

paradoxes are fun well until they make the world go boom anyway

Batmanuel

This is quite worrying, we are talking about paradoxes and torchwood, and the google ads are about Gay Dating....
so Has Torchwood become a gay dating agency or what Question

Fuck me (or not) i thought Torchwood was a Doctor Who spin off in the Sci-Fi vein.
Silly me Laughing

Web of Fear

Crikey!

New series of Torchwood in "rather good" shocker! Shocked

Batmanuel

Yes, unbelievably good. the five episodes which to all intents see's the end of Torchwood as we know it was absolutely stonking entertainment, Man kissing was kept to a minimum too, always a good thing if you want to be taken seriously as grade A sci-fi entertainment, good story with a tip of the hat to classic sci-fi, and Gwen bless her cotton socks is up the duff, while Jack f**ks off to the outta nebula, (to have sex with green slime aliens no doubt) Mmmm maybe that how Aids started? the worlds children are saved, shame, no doubt they will say, "we didn't ask to be born, its so unfair" at a latter date and many parents will wish that the aliens had taken the little gob-shites... Still all is well that ends well.
or is it.
Is this really the end of Torchwood? if so it certainly went out with a bang.

Web of Fear

Very good indeed. Thought that Peter Capaldi as the middleman civil servant was brilliant, as was the sense of doom and despair whenever the 456 were on screen. The cold, calculating way the Cabinet discussed handing over the kids was rather disturbing. Victory came at a real cost, and I had been wondering if the resolution was just going to be pressing the reset button.

The only relative weaknesses were the team escaping in a forklift truck which probably has a maximum speed of 5 MPH (if you floor it) and Torchwood's "big plan" on Day Four was basically walking up to the aliens and telling them to f**k off ...

Interesting that the best Torchwood to date got rid of the Hub, the Range Rover, the Cardiff setting and most of the team.

Finally I'm not sure if I'd rather have Harold Saxon as PM instead of the real wet fish who was in charge this time around. At least the Master had a sense of fun!

Conradical

Yep, have to concur, great job on the Torchwood front. Except for the dashing forklift getaway, it was overall a gritty, emotional cut, which I think raised the great issue of how much you really trust your government to make the big choices for you. The moral vs practical decision is a classic.

What I reckon this miniseries illuminated was the distance between Torchwood and Doctor Who, with Torchwood being all about the darker, more (if you'll excuse the pun) down-to-earth sides of sci-fi. When John Frobisher was told his kids were on the list, his reaction I found really cutting. I remember back when the show started, laughing at the way they proved they were more of an adult series than Doctor Who - by saying the f word before the end of the opening credits.

I had very little hope for this five-parter, the most interesting characters for me having been those killed off before these events. But I suppose that's why shows like this, and Spooks, for example, have gained the cult status as hero-killers (ignoring for the moment Jack the protagonist's immortal nature). It's the fragile nature of the cast that makes it all the more exciting, and I'd forgotten this at the start of day one, when it appeared that Torchwood were hiring again.

Even though it may / may not / may / may not be the end of Torchwood, these five days have completely renewed my faith in BBC sci-fi, which may have been dwindling since the ever-more commercial and family-friendly approach has absorbed Doctor Who. I can only hope Gwen's having fun with her new bubby, and Captain Jack's having fun with cosmic chlamydia.

Batmanuel

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