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| CatFang |
Gordon Brown and the Rape of DemocracyOr When No Means YesSo despite a public consultation in which a clear majority voted that "imitation samurai Swords" (whatever that might mean) should NOT be banned under the offensive Weapons act, the government has yet again decided to go against the will of the people. Not that this is the first time, of course, not by any means. It has been said that this government (and I use the term loosely because the lack of a general election seems to demonstrate but one thing, and that being that the Prime Minister had a great enough fear that the country would not give him a mandate to govern should he ask them that he thought it best not to bother)is the most controlling we have ever had in this country. Control is what it wants as well. Not obedience, even. Obedience implies some sort of choice, some sort of freewill to be disobedient. But we all want "freedom" right? And surely the ultimate freedom must mean we are free from everything, especially responsibility for our own actions or control over our own destinies. And as for having the responsibility to formulate our own thoughts and opinions, why on earth would we want that - who knows, we might all come to different conclusions and what would we have then? Chaos! Walking to work on a lovely sunny morning, then I started to think about what you would have to do to engender such a state of submission? Well, torturers say that you need to reduce people to a state of childish confusion. That is why we would never use any evidence they obtain in open court proceedings, of course. 1) Engender paralysing fear and hopelessness 2) Introduce horrifying senseless randomness 3) Make sure nobody understands the rules to prevent any idea of cause and effect 4) Remove any means of escape or defence 5) Make sure that no one can hear the screams Doing this to a person might be possible then (although I'm sure that all the laws we have ensure the safety of everyone, or at least those who matter, and nobody is being raped to death in sexual slavery having been trafficked into the country), but could you do it to a country? Hmm, what a challenge. Let me see... 1) Paralysing Fear - "everyone not exactly the same as you wants to kill you, you know". Phantom common enemies are just the *best* distraction. 2) No means of escape - "you're *HOW* much in debt? Well you'll have to work that off first... 3) No ability to predict effects - "4 o'clock all change...laws that is" 4) No voice or means of defence - "put down the weapon and step away from the democratic process..." So what are we up to now, V for Violation? Well, off for work xmas lunch in an hour - happy, happy 
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| Guest |
Sorry - is that the sale of or ownership of said swords? I must have missed this particular bit of legislation madness.
Can not say I am suprised though. the majourity of people are to lazy to make informed choices of their own and seem to enjoy letting others make decessions for them. Take ID card. Going to cost a fortune. Tecnology untested and most experts believe that it wont work. Would in no way prevent terrorism - unless a registered terrorist tried to move in to the counrty - but isn't that what passports are for? Discussing this with my sister the other day she actually said "But I've got nothing to hide." as an argument for them. It makes you want to cry. It must be said though, going back to the original thread that I feel the media is more to blame for the general panic that surrounds us. The Goverment tends to react more to media hype than it does to public opinion, mistakenly believeing they are one and the same thing. Essentially, every important decession in this country is based on how many papers it will sell. |
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| CatFang |
Not quite clear about ownership at the moment - surprisingly Good for keeping people on their toes though |
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| norsefire1 |
i think the whole problem is much bigger then just Gordon Brown, i want to disscuss freedom in more broad terms and in more detail but i need time to compose something. | ||||||||||||
| CatFang |
yep - I was just using him as an emblem as I was in a rage.
Look forward to your thoughts. Here's some food for them |
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| norsefire1 |
"in no longer pretty cities there are fingers in the kitties, there are warrants, forms...and a jack boot on the stair"
it would seem that the will of the people got us into this mess in the first place, is it not us who votes this people in, after all people wanted the iron lady to make the uk stable and great once again, her legacy was something else, what good ol maggie did for the uk was create a type trend in the way we pick our gov (or as i like call them central services) which in its self flew in the face of any real democratic system, that of elective dictatorship or executive dominance, the conservative party became displeaseing to those (few) who voted and all that happend was a new set of care takers under a new name, not a new context or ideology that was running the uk but just new management. what is most imperative in this is that the great unwashed want freedom from choice not freedom of choice "but at least the trains all run on time but they dont go anywhere" as with all dictatorships ( iam not saying that the uk is like rome, or nazi berlin during the war) and due to the people giving up there responsibility which means they gave up there liberty, what happens is that as time moves on the party gains more and more power, if people have jobs, if taxes are low if we "feel" safe then the party can get away with guideing us though, trying to puchase a little temporary saftey for and for the good of the people (yeah right) and for themselfs by creating a social other. "more at ease at the land of doing what you please" so what is the effect of all this? well what happans is that people demand freedom of speech, sometimes this works as with what i have heard that the ruleing of the high court has said that the state needs no longer then 28 days to hold people (why they need 28 days iam not sure maybe the poems are very complex  ) but after all the high court has its own aganda and motives to push which has little to do with freedom, but as far as freedom of speech for you and i, it doesnt mean very much it is as best. as kierkegaard said a compensation for the freedom of thought which we seldom use. after all did all that anti war stuff mean anything 
what i have given here is a poor start to the issue here, i havent even covered i d cards yet but a start it is. what do others think? |
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| Xeall |
just to go back on the Id card thing. One line springs to mind, 'innoncent until proven guilty'. You can't keep tabs on someone because they might do something. Its a minority report situation. Those who have doen nothing are made to suffer, out of the fear that they might.
The first big brother film was not in support of such a system and no fictional or factual peice of work is either. What makes a human mind say 'I'll ignore the evidence, i think i can do it right anyway'. Does a army officer say 'well that area is meant to be well defend acourding to intelligence, however i believe its not so we're going that way'. common sense and evidence seem to be thrown out of the window under the pretence its the best thing for us and we don't know what that is but they do. Funny how Mps are meant to be the voice of the people they represnt and yet never listen. They arent there to make the choices for us, they are there to show our choices |
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| Batmanuel |
Just so you know
You now have to register if you are.. A Black a paki a fat bastard a smoker a short git a bald git a motorist a person who is considered old ( all ages apply ) a member of the green party a cunt (that would be Gordon Brown but for some reason he is exempt. A disabled person ( including Heroin Addicts ) a homeless person a tax payer a solicitor a traffic warden ( i fucking hate traffic wardens ) a speed camera 
and a f**king HUMAN BEING EVER HAD THE FEELING YOU BEEN HAD? I would'nt mind so much if they had used a Durex 
Gotta laugh otherwise you would Cry.. ing out loud, Give us a break 
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| Reaper |
I think I ranted something that fits into this thread in the general discussion a week back.
To Paraphrase the master Bill Hicks 'There is only one government party, all you're doing is electing a new name that won't change anything and will carry on exactly as the old regime did' Sadly its quite true, even down to the whole sleaze issue the Conversatives went through at the end of their leadership, Labour have done exactly the same thing. Blair became the new Thatcher, practically ousted out of the top spot. The issue of Gordon Brown not calling a General Election, well for a start he shouldn't have that choice, we should have had it or the house of lords, maybe even the Queen. Better still it should be written into the law, after one Prime Minister has stepped down the deputy Prime Minister may step up until a General Election is held six months later. This would allow all parties to get their bandwagons rolling. I think one of the sad things is that at the second none of our parties are strong enough or effective enough to lead the country, we need a complete reboot, elect all new officials but it won't happen. All that will happen is they get shifted around so they can cock up the system more than the last guy. One thing in Catfangs post made me think of the whole 'Nanny State' thing thats going on. They're trying to mollycoddle the entire nation so that we feel we need them to watch out for us every second of the day. I.E a bag of KP PeaNUTS (I'm caping the Nuts for a reason) has written on the back... 'May contain nuts'..... I bloody damn well hope so! WHat a stupid thing to put on there, yes put it on something that may not normally contain nuts so that people with allergies can be careful, but come on! Michael Moore talks about the culture of Fear that the Americans have set up after the Twin Towers came down and how they used that to pass the Patriot Act which is an amazingly unconstitutional legislation. One of the lines in it effectively allows them to monitor ANYONE they like at anytime regardless of if there is cause or not. Very much like the days of the communist witchhunts, but America is land of the free.... No America is land of the free for the ones in power the rest of you well you have to do what you're told. And this is what they've tried to do over here to a lesser extent and Catfangs point about 'Everyone not exactly the same as you wants to kill you' is a perfect example and I personally feel that all the media splashing the immigration issues all over the papers day in day out are a big factor in this. How many people now have a big issue with immigrants because of what they read in the sun? Rant over for the second, I apologise if it doesn't make sense, its too early in the morning. |
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| CatFang |
It's not even like we can be kept distracted by "bread and circuses" anymore as bread has too many carbs and circuses are too exciting.
That seems to be the new thing - nothing that may cause an emotional reaction of any kind...just sit quietly now and do what you're told. 1984 looks positively lovely by comparison. I have to walk to work through Soho Square (if you don't know, that's where the FA headquarters are). I am convinced by the level of media presence there that there has been some confusion. When someone said a "New England Manager" was being announced they all assumed they meant a new PM. I mean, that's what the PM should be, right, a good [bold]manager[/bold] not a leader, not a head of state....That's the only thing that could account for this amount of news coverage Anyway - it turns out they are getting some Italian bloke in. At least maybe he will make the trains run on time ("but they won't go anywhere ..." )
Norsefire1 - great post. That's the problem with democracy, isn't it, the people? CapO - maybe you should ask your sister whether the question is not "what does she have to HIDE" but "what does she have to LOSE" and "WHERE does she have to hide" rant rant rant.... |
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| Batmanuel |
Now this is what i call a thread and there was me thinking i must be "out of the ordinary" "he is a strange one he is" "Rant Rant Rant".
But behold, there be others like me, you all just need the right fuel. except for the lily livered liberals that is, "Oh i totally agree with you but what if he is right and you are wrong, not saying that you are wrong and he is right but if it pleases both of you i will just sit on this fence here and see who wins, mind you if its not alright do you mind very much if i run away (France is nice at this time of year) until you have sorted it out?"
anyone for some camembert? Ahhhh Ha Ha HA. |
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| CatFang |
Sit on the fence and all you get is a pole up the arse
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| Reaper |
Don't give him ideas, we don't want another pot noodle fiasco | ||||||||||||
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| Xeall |
don't laugh, 3 people are still in therapy over that. 
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| CatFang |
Surely needing therapy means there is something wrong with your thoughts?
This cannot be allowed. It could lead anywhere. "Thoughtcrime does not entail death: thoughtcrime is death." (1984) And if any of you are thinking "ha ha , cute quote, but this is a democracy which means that being able to have and express an opinion about those we have voted in to act on our behalf is my right" try typing "bollocks to Blair" into google. Makes you think really - war crimes vs wear crimes - which is most important in today's society. Use your red button to vote now... I mean, I'm sure it's ok to write that here, now, after all, he's just a citizen now. That means I'm not making an anti-government statement. "It was terribly dangerous to let your thoughts wander when you were in any public place or within range of a telescreen. The smallest thing could igve you away. A nervous tic, an unconscious look of anxiety, a habit of muttering to yourself—anything that carried with it the suggestion of abnormality, of having something to hide. In any case, to wear an improper expression on your face… was itself a punishable offense. There was even a word for it in Newspeak: facecrime…" (1984) Which would be wryly amusing were software not being developed for exactly this purpose for deployment in airports. (I would find a link but I have to go to a meeting now - boo - still, last one of the year - yay) Hush now - in case they send Jack "boots" Straw round to get us. |
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| Xeall |
As i have said before the government seems to be reading fiction with warnings about politics taken to the extreme and thinking 'thats a really good idea' as they end out on top.
I would not be suprised if the government does its best to abolish the monarcy when the queen dies. However i do believe people underestimate the monarcy and their power, i think it would be good for them to get involved more. they can't come and get us, we're on teh internets and they are noobs!
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| CatFang |
Here is the link to the info about the terrorism prediction software
There is an interesting hellblazer special (I can't remember the title) set in the near future when John Constantine is an old man, the monarchy has been abolished and Reverend Blair still has his fingers in the political pies. Well worth a read. Everything you need to know about politics you can learn from comics, kiddies. Monarchy does raise an interesting question about citizenship. I wonder how many people are aware that they are taking an oath to be "subjects"? |
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| Xeall |
I was more thinking can they force identification on what are the royal families subjects? I honestly feel charles as king would do england so much good and yet its never going to happen.
intresting point though, i suppose that is technically true... |
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| norsefire1 |
[quote="Xeall"]I was more thinking can they force identification on what are the royal families subjects? I honestly feel charles as king would do england so much good
"es lebe die freiheit" - hans scholl mad, mad mad. the house of windsor (sax coburg gotha) is only where it is by populer consent any way. thank god they have no real power. in fact the state would be makeing a right move in getting rid of those parasites. lets not forget that in 1997 they did there best to try and keep the uk under conservative values, oh and lets not for get the near coup in 1976. if we were to give any power to these dangerous anachronisams, it would oppression the uk had not seen in 100s of years. but who iam i to complian "god save the queen, the facist regime" |
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| Reaper |
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| CatFang |
Wow! I had never heard of this before. I was only a baby at the time, and my parents were working in the Caribbean so I wasn't even in the country even if I could remember that far back. I've just been reading about it on sites across the whole political spectrum. It certainly throws a new light on some of the pop culture of the time. As with all such things, though, the complexity of even the known information is such that "the truth" is a very hard thing to find. It seems to me that much of the situation was stirred up by the CIA (reds under the bed and all that), possibly because Wilson refused to back the US in Vietnam. It's not like the "they don't agree with us - well they must be commies / belong to an axis of evil etc etc" argument has not been seen before. As to whether it was a coup to " overthrow the democratically elected choice of the people" would depend on the majority held by the government, what the percentage turnout of voters was etc. I have a problem with "choice of the people" being used for "choice of 30-odd % of that 30% of the people that turned out to vote" - and the fact that, say or a "coup" or a "revolution" or whatever you want to call it "the people" only get to made their voice heard in any meaningful way every half decade or so - (but that is for another post.) . The country was in one hell of a state with no prospect of change for another 3 - 4 years and the "future shock" of the end of empire post war years for the "old military" and the reaction against the "peace and love" movement from the younger punk side it is not really that surprising that something like this happened. What is surprising is that it was averted bloodlessly. I think we don't appreciate the very real fears that people had during the cold war - of course why they had them, and if they were justified in having them is another matter. Also even if the party was truly the "choice of the people" there was so much influence from trade unions at the time - and the country did not elect them - even if their members did. Powers behind the throne complicate the democratic process on both sides. Scarily when talking about the whole "rape of democracy - no means yes" idea to my mum the other day she said "yes well, you see that people are miserable BECAUSE THEY DON'T FEEL THEY HAVE A STRONG LEADER!!!". Small and easy steps.... Interesting stuff |
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| Reaper |
I hadn't heard about it before either, so might take a quick look at it later on as I don't have a basis to read your post on. | ||||||||||||
| Xeall |
what ever you can level at the royals you can throw at the government a million times over. How many times have we been f***ed by them? The whole idea is that the two powers worked together to solve problems not ruled over each other.
Next you'll be telling me the royal family are actually giant lizards! 
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| CatFang |
I think you'll find that's werewolves
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| norsefire1 |
i dont know if its out there on youtube or on the bbc website or something but there was a bbc2 doc on the near coup of 1976 i think it was called "the plot against harold wilson". it is worth the viewing if anyone wants to know more on the subject.
i dont know if this will help answer anyones questions of if the coup was out there overthrow the state elected gov but the bbc2 doc states that the leader of the coup was lord mountbatten (the queens cousin) and the objective was to make the queen head of state untill such time to bring back elected gov. (read never) i think catfang is very right that the fears of the cold war are neglected historically, personally i think people should take the era far more seriously, i think if they did they may just understand the world in which we live in today a little better. |
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| Batmanuel |
CatFang:
I'm sure that there are country's out their that are already adopting this policy, cant remember which but I'm sure it begins with an A, or is than an E.
A girl was arrested for wearing a t-shirt with this slogan, the charge i believe was behavior likely to cause a breach of the peace, (see post else where by your truly) Reaper:
What... i only compared myself to the slag of all snacks (hang on, that didn't come out right) Norsefire:
I think you hit the nail on the head here, Charles for King ?? Now i am no fan of the inbred Nazi scumbag Windsor family, the remind me of the adams family only not funny, But Charles ?? that is scraping the barrel. CatFang:
Now wouldn't it have been nice if our British PM had but one half of the Bollocks Harold Wilson had
Norsefire:
I agree, nice to see that their are some people that not only remember and research the past, you can fool some of the people some of the time, but not all of the people all of the time, and your mention of the politics of 76 were interesting, i remember that
Interesting how much sensitive data seems to be getting lost of late isn't it, good job its not happening in the MU, otherwise all those registered heroes had best watch there step, the story may be different but the politics sure as hell smell the same but hey thats for another thread to which i am going to post this next.
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| Reaper |
There have been three incidents of these data discs being lost in the last six months, I'm beginning to wonder if they aren't be lost but if they're being stolen. | ||||||||||||
| Xeall |
stolen? no why would anyone do that, durka........ 
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| CatFang |
What is particularly galling about the data discs is that nothing will happen. Part of my job is teaching data protection law to our staff and having to impress on them just how serious the penalties can be. Norwich Union has just be fined £1.26million for a dp breach that was not nearly as serious. Another case of "do as I say, not as I do".
It's his fervent belief in quackery - eg homeopathy on the NHS etc - that is most worrying about him to me. He sometimes does try to be involved in politics, albeit clumsily and with "eccentric" views to say the least, but he is hammered by the press for doing so.
oh cool - a primary source!!! What do you remember about this coup then? Did anything get out at the time, was there any speculation or was it all hushed up until the documents were declassified last year?
Absoutely. It's the old "those who not remember the past are condemned to repeat it" thingy. Personally I think people need a better understanding of history all round. Many of the "self evident" truths that are so loudly and proudly proclaimed today about "democracy" and "nations" etc ring a little hollow once you realise that such ideas were shocking and dangerous only a little over 100 years ago. That is only just outside of living memory - and if you can't remember that far back there's always wikipedia for those to lazy to read a whole book. I think one of the biggest conceptual problems at the moment is that politicians are not recognising the distinction between: 1) a country (a geographical area), 2)a nation (an agreed grouping of people usaully along ethic, lingusitic or religious grounds), and 3)a state (the machinery of political operations). Obviously these things are all very closely related - but they are not THE SAME. There are, for example, about 500 identified "ethnic" groups within the 20-odd European states. What does that mean? A quick look at what is still happening around Kosovo should provide some interesting answers. The concept of "nations" as we know them today really only emerged as a consequence of the break up of transnational empires, the reformation and the enlightenment - so late 18th century at the earliest. Still - I suppose I should not worry my pretty head about such scary things and just trust in the Ministry of Love. Speaking of which - who else thinks it scary that one of the most popular tv programmes to emerge in recent years is actually blatantly called "Big Brother", has an eye symbol, and works hard to make watching others' every move just seem like "harmless fun". I mean, there's riding the zeitgeist, and there's just plain creepy. Once the phrase and all it stands for has just become the comfortable background noise of our lives why would we feel threatened by it? My rant at the TV today was that it is going to become illegal to even talk on a hands free phone while driving. Just because the Leader of the Free World can't walk and talk at the same time DOESN'T MEAN I CAN'T!! I worry I'm becoming one of those mad people who writes ranty letters to the editors of "newspapers"
But - when all is said and done everyone knows the fascists always have the best uniforms...and the best volcano lairs....
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| Reaper |
Volcano Lairs !!! I've always been amused by the Big Brother TV concept and repelled by the fact that people actually like watching a bunch of retards do retard things in a retarded house all the retarded time.... | ||||||||||||
| Batmanuel |
CatFang:
Yes i find this sort of thing very irritating, as a driver , and as a general member of the public, rules, rules, and more rules, that the England of today just a step away from Alan Moore's V i also read today that a pilot system is being tried out to run along side with the already in use number recognition technology will see every vehicle tracked on every journey by satellite, the reason for this that with all the country's speed limits on database the will be able to track your average speed from one point to the other and automatically fine you if you exceed the speed limit. and just back to the hands free for a sec, (and i may be repeating myself here) but if its not possible to drive and talk at the same time then are they going to ban passengers? because you can at the moment talk to them, and that MUST be a distraction, No? |
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| CatFang |
Just been reading the latest Black Summer.
Seems more and more relevant every day
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| Batmanuel |
1984 is starting to look like a picnic 
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| Reaper |
Think I might have to read this Black Summer | ||||||||||||
| The Rascal King |
You're not!? Whats wrong with you? | ||||||||||||
| Reaper |
Just started downloading it don't hurt me 
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| Batmanuel |
Reaper:
What...What What, you F**king Git, and whats wrong with buying it on paper then, to much bloody trouble for you is it? i hope your hard drive crashes you, you, you, Philistine You.  
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| CatFang |
Never mind that. I'm starting to think that if it's worth a 40-odd page thread I might have to read Civil War!! I just don't have the background CyNic has been filling me in on some of it today.
I do like Mark Millar as well..... You evil tempters you.... |
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| norsefire1 |
i am sure the tread talks for its self and civil war does not need my endorcement but it rules like a iron fist in a velevet glove. | ||||||||||||
| Reaper |
Sadly for the moment nooooo money, I actually only have 43p and plus this way I can see if I like it and if its good I'll buy it. A lot of the titles I have sent from your wonderful shop I download first, read and then read again when they get posted to me
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| Xeall |
Another anti starkest coming right up. Our numbers shall grow, cut off one freedom and gain 2 more HAIL HYDRA.............i mean go democracy........ |
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| Reaper |
No wonder he wants the Mighty Avengers downfall!! He's a Hydra agent! | ||||||||||||
| Xeall |
no i'm not, that was that other guy.........Meall.......my evil hydra twin!
Well now you can prove your better than gordon brown with what might be the most exciting thing ever http://www.game.co.uk/PC/~r331538/Democracy/ oh god! |
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| Reaper |
Sim-Country! | ||||||||||||
| CatFang |
I wonder if they have this in party headquarters.
Maybe whoever wins gets the seat in cabinet ....hey, it could be a games cabinet..... |
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| Xeall |
OOOHHHH GOD! can't belive you made that joke. I'm so voting for the mario party | ||||||||||||
| CatFang |
I tried not to, but my fingers were possessed by the devil
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| Xeall |
She heard all that anti royal rant and is coming for you! |
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| CatFang |
Reminds of a piece of news footage I saw a few years ago where the queen was presented with a ceremonial dagger.
Not knowing she was on camera she mimed a downward stabbing with it and was clearly seen to be saying "like psycho". |
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| Batmanuel |
back to the subject of the rape of democracy
This is from the local paper and deals with the Wincheap Canterbury regeneration plans, I am not going to bore you with the ins and out of the plan itself, as if you are really interested you can look them up. No, what I wish to focus on here is the results of a poll which was put to residents and retailers of the area concerning the regeneration. Eighty Five percent of the residents and businesses consulted over the plans to redevelop the area of Wincheap Trading Estate have objected. Of 370 replies, 315 included objections when the consultation ended on March 7th , these results were revealed at a special meeting of Canterbury Councillors on Monday. However it would seem that the cities councillors are determined to push through the proposals, so the question is how many votes will it take to halt the regeneration plans, well it would seem that its not really relevant, as the consultations were it seems, a farce. City councillor Colin Carmichael was last seen being likened to Zimbabwe’s President Mugabe, when asked about this he replied that he found it rather amusing. |
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| Reaper |
I really wish someone would remind these.... 'people' that they're only put where they are because of us and should be doing what we want.
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| CatFang |
Welcome to the Future, citizen.
The same thing happened here. There was a supposed consultation to all the residents in the blocks of flats where we live about whether we wanted "security doors" at the bottom of the stairwells. Nearly everyone said no on the questionnaire they sent round. Then nearly everyone said no when the council sent people door to door to ask them (I guess the idea was more people would be likely to fold when asked face to face). Then everyone said no even louder and organised a petition and a local protest meeting. Guess what is at the bottom of the stairwells now? Worse still they obviously got the cheapest contractors possible to do them and they have never really worked properly in the whole time they have been up. Also I saw an excited 12 year old kid, in the middle of some sort of running and hiding game, pull one open by bracing his feet on the wall. In any case, no one wants them so has defeated them by propping them open with bits of stone most of the time! |
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| Batmanuel |
Reaper:
Ah, But they are doing what you want, its just that you don't know what it is you want until they tell you what it is that you want, and if you think that you don't really need that which they tell you you want, think again, they will me the judge of that me boy
Hence the security doors and the bottom of Cats address, now come on Cat, what were you going to do with those spare bricks and stones if you didn't have that door to prop open See... you just didn't realize that you needed badly fitted second rate security doors to prop open did you.
Thank god for the watchful eye
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| CyNic |
Good point. If we didn't need them for propping open the faulty security doors, I'd have been quite tempted to pitch them through a few of our local councillors' windows...
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| Batmanuel |
Ah... the good old days, when a person if they disagreed had a voice,
or a brick
reminds me of the time my old Dad tipped the entire weeks rubbish on the council's steps, then went in there and told them to clear it up as it was a health hazard, i cant remember exactly why he did it, (i was only 9) something to do with refuse collections being cut. but it stuck in my mind as one of those little moments that makes life worth while. If you did it now, they would give you a £80.00 fine for littering, and thats for every individual bit of rubbish. and if you didn't pay, then ITS PRISON FOR YOU, along with all those little old ladies that wont (cant) pay their poll tax. Shit... we used matches in those days thats £80.00 a match
Oh and by the way, no black bin bags in those days, trash was put raw into trash can, when tipped out it stunk. |
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| CatFang |
I think you'd find that such an anti-social action is a FORM OF TERRORISM these days.
Biological warfare most probably! Guantanomo bay for you |
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| Batmanuel |
CatFang:
Ive heard that this Guantanamo bay is nothing but a holiday camp, Ive seen the pictures, swimming pools, gyms, pork on every menu, wired sex games involving role playing with American woman dressed as solider dominatrix to lead you around like the dirty dog you are. Bloody typical, i have to pay £20 quid an hour for that kind of treatment.......... i didn't just say that out loud did i..... bollocks
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| CatFang |
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| Batmanuel |
you can probably see form my avatar that not only do i have a hood, but i am all ready dressed for a bit of roleplay
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| Batmanuel |
And heres another insult to anyone with half a brain....
"A father-of-four has been left with a criminal record for overfilling his wheelie bin by four inches." Yes you have read it right, four inches thats all it takes to get a criminal record, (no silly comments please, this is serious) "Gareth Corkhill, 26, of Whitehaven, Cumbria, received a £110 fixed penalty notice after Copeland Council staff photographed his raised bin lid." so let me get this straight, a man employed by us is sent out to patrol the housing estates equipped with a camera also paid for by us, to photograph our wheelie bins. and if the are to full, fine us accordingly? "When he refused to pay he was taken to court where magistrates added a further £115 to the fixed penalty. Copeland Council has defended its actions and pledged to continue to take action against overfilled wheelie bins. Mr Corkhill, said: "First I heard of it was from a neighbour who said someone had taken a picture of my wheelie bin, but I thought nothing of it." But of course you wouldn't take much notice, some weirdo photographing your bin??? "Two days later two enforcement officers turn up on my doorstep wearing stab vests, read my rights and then issued me with an on-the-spot fine." this is an unbelievable abuse of power by local authorities, and something needs to be done about it, otherwise it will get worse and worse and worse, hell what next, pulled in for questioning if more than three people are seen on the streets talking ? The authorities justify this as it may well be a conspiracy forming, and in order for us all to feel safe, thay have to nip such antisocial behavior in the bud. Four inches, four bloody inch's, his lid was raised by four inches..... un fuck ing believe able. but the biggest problem we have, is all the time we have bloody snot faced shit bags jobsworth willing to take the photos on behalf of the council, we don't stand a chance. i just hope the guy who took this photo gets his just deserve, i hope a traffic warden gets you you shit bag. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/cumbria/7360147.stm For the full story. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7361220.stm Listern to the podcast by the bemused man himself |
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| CatFang |
I can't believe that anyone involved in this whole farce is not thoroughly ashamed of themselves.
Did the people working in the legal system who had to process this, hear the "crime", pass sentence etc go home thinking "yeah, that was a good day's work. That's why I went to work in the justice system, to make sure criminals like this get what they deerve".? I feel more and more like I am living in Kafka world every day. |
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| Batmanuel |
Well if you don't believe that, then haw about this....
Kate Badger a 26 year old individual who was going about her normal daily routine and not looking for a fight, soon as hell stood up to be counted when a local authority sent her a fine for £60.00 ??? but what had she done? searching her mind she couldn't think of a single thing she might have done to incur such wrath, shes not a Fastard, so it cant be that, she has a parking permit so it cant be that, she has Tax and insurance so it cant be that??? then she read further down the document and was astonished to find that she had been photographed throwing an Apple core from the window of her car window and was being fined under the the waste regulation act which clearly states that apples are on the list as perishable items and are to all intents and purposes a controlled waste substance. under the RIPA act local councils are able to photograph you, and even put you under surveillance if they believe a crime is being or about to be committed which involves controlled substances. however, the problem was, that young Kate decided to fight it, being as she doesnt even like Apples, its highly unlikely that she would have eaten one to its core before disposing of it. she was threatened with all-sorts, heavier fines, a criminal record, " just pay the fine misses, you know it makes sense. " well she stood her ground and the local council involved had to do a u-turn, (i hope they sacked the shit-bag jobsworth failed traffic warden cunt who apparently photographed her doing it, but couldn't produce the photo) Kate was told she had got away with it, GOT A FUCKING WAY WITH IT???? She didn't do it, how can you get away with something that you didn't do? but here i take my hat off to young Kate, bloody well done, we need more like you. and the moral of the story is, is it not about time that these powers were removed from local councils, as abuse of the privileges seem to be epidemic. and isn't it time that we stood up to these bully's? because thats what they are. Don't know about you, but if they aint old bill, then they shouldn't be allowed to do it. As least the majority of the Police Force are honest being a failed policeman is one-thing, but a failed traffic warden really is the worst of the worst, hell i bet even Randy (Earls Brother) could become a traffic warden! But even he as stupid as he is would realise that it was wrong! |
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| Reaper |
While Sarah and I were living in Canterbury, Sarah was in shared accommodation on Sturry Road. There were five people living there in all and one day a letter arrived for one of the other women, Emma. It was from the Canterbury council and they were fining her £75 because someone (not necessarily her) had put food waste into the paper/card recycling box.
£75 fine straight off, there wasn't a warning or anything and the only reason she got this letter and the fine was because they found a piece of paper with her name on it in the recycling. How crap is that? |
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| CatFang |
Did she have to pay it or did she persuade them it was not her?
Seriously! Here is a link to a story about a man who was "detained" by people with absolutley no authority to do so for taking photos in the street. Apparently you cannot do this a citizen in some UK cities now, but it is ok if you are a jumped up civil servant (note the second word in that phrase) with a power complex. I have also been interested to see Gordon Brown's comments on the Zimbabwe election situation given that he did not even have a pretend election to get into power. |
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| Batmanuel |
Reaper:
Its not just crap mate, it was probably issued using RIPA legislation. CatFang:
its high time the jumped up jobsworth traffic warden prefects were read the riot act, but unfortunately they have the LAW on there side. But seriously, why are we putting up with this shit? |
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| Batmanuel |
Ha, who saw Gordon begging on the news, please like me he says, i am after all a python.
Hey mate, you may look like a Python, but you sure as hell ain't funny. |
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| CatFang |
I told this to Cy...he said "Well he can unhook his jaw like a python..."
That is why I love him
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| Xeall |
you talk about the government ripping us off, just look at yourself! I thought you were on my side Bats but now i see you were tony's pawn all along!
I looked at the bottom of the main page and what do i see?
REGISTERED! You utter B*****!
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| Batmanuel |
Xeall:
but hang on, didn't you have to register to be able to post this? but very nicely spotted, and none of the enemy had spotted this particular fact, so i rest my case. pro registrants are less intelligent than anti registrants, simple really. so i win then
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| CatFang |
To be honest I couldn't decide if to post this here or in the funny internet things discussion.
In the end I thought it was more scary than funny... Chris Cocker, 36-year-old man from Blackburn England, was watching a comedy show at home. He laughed so hard he fell off his sofa. His neighbor in the apartment below heard the thud and called the police. When the police came to Cocker's door, he refused to let them in. Cocker tried to shut to door, but the officer stuck his foot in the door and pepper sprayed Cocker. After being sprayed with pepper spray, Mr Cocker was put into a police van and taken to a police station where he said he was stripped naked and spent a night in the cells. A spokesman for Lancashire Police said officers used a pepper spray as "reasonable force" for their own protection after they feared for their safety when he became aggressive. You see a video and read more on the BBC website Along similar lines I guess you already heard about the man arrested under firearms law for having a Lara Croft standee. Which is quite scary as we used to have a Tommy Lee Jones with standee with his MIB gun at the bend in our stairs. He did quite often make people jump, though.
In the end I think Cy gave him away to the man who came to fit the new carpet or something. |
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| Batmanuel |
Found this little gem in the local paper
Yes you do !! it has been proved beyond any shadow of doubt that the local councils abuse their power. and why the hell are people with absolutely no law enforcement training allowed access to these powers. I bet that Police officer over there is wondering just that, My wife was stopped by a park attendant in the Dane john because she didn't have her dog on a lead, and since when she asked is it an offence punishable by a £500.00 fine not to have my dog on a lead? which is a reasonable question. Since 2 0 clock yesterday madam, the council passed the new law yesterday. the warden then went on to explain that this new law covered any dog in any place from the moment you leave your house, (we now know that this part was a blatant lie and wholly untrue.) and how was i informed of said law she asked? its been posted within the park Madam. Show me! 30 minutes later the park attendant managed to find one piece of paper which was held up with a drawing pin within the toddles maze. well that wont do will it she said, and WHO exactly is going to arrest me for said £500.00 worth of crime. well that would be me madam, replied the now tired and slightly annoyed warden. you touch me and i will call upon the the official police force and cite you for assault, because i sure as hell wont come quietly. and here's the Punch Line the warden replied, as a council official i have more power than the Police anyway. I'm sure that Mr Plod who has done all the police exams, training and studying will be really please that a snotty shit for brains part time park warden has more power than him and isn't it time the use of the RIPA laws were restricted to be used only by genuine officers of the law? here are some usful links http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2005/mar/11/terrorism.humanrights and you know it sucks when a Tory aggrees
http://143.252.148.161/tol/news/politics/article4124674.ece |
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| CatFang |
You should go to the press with that one. Especially as it is a topic in the news at the moment. Probably your best chance of getting anything done about it, sadly. | ||||||||||||