Is The Amazing Spder-Man better under the new BND Banner
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Was The Amazing Spder-Man better under the old JMS Banner
Please note there is no other option
take it or leave it
Robin The Boy Wonder
It's too early to compare, I think.
We've had nearly five months of Brand New Day... to compare against six years worth of JMS. Of course JMS is going to win - no matter what I've said elsewhere about Brand New Day, JMS' run is one of the defining Amazing Spider-Man runs ever.
Well, the first half of it was anyway. After that, JMS became bogged down with event-driven storytelling (New Avengers, The Other, Civil War, Back in Black & One More Day).
Web of Fear
Can JMS's run be defining, when everything he did in the title was completely undone in OMD?
Batmanuel
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Can JMS's run be defining
Em... one sec... YES, you try telling JMS that the last eight years of his life haven't happened.
Cos i sure as hell aint
Xeall
Robin The Boy Wonder wrote:
It's too early to compare, I think.
We've had nearly five months of Brand New Day... to compare against six years worth of JMS.
Technically your wrong there. After 6 months of BND we will have had as much as 1 and a half years of JMS. Three times a month remember. now compare BND s far to that first year. Who wins, you know my vote.
BND feels to much like a spectacular or friendly neighbourhood title
Batmanuel
Xeall:
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BND feels to much like a spectacular or friendly neighbourhood title
Or indeed a Web of, or a Sensational. but the one thing its not is Amazing
Good point raised on the three times a month = one and a half years.
so who placed the second vote? was that you boy wonder?
Reaper
Nope that be me
Longshot
I'm just voting to be the devils advocate.
BND is better than Before because [considering I havent read a spiderman comic in about 10 years] it gives a more complete feel, three times a month in one story is a lot more furfilling than waiting 2 months for an arc to finish is better than 6. also you get rid off the poo and onto the new quicker.
Xeall
Longshot wrote:
also you get rid off the poo and onto the new quicker.
Having solid gold most of the time and a bit of crap every now and again is better than being shat on 3 times a month
Batmanuel
Longshot
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BND is better than Before because [considering I haven't read a spiderman comic in about 10 years] it gives a more complete feel
so which part of BND v JMS didn't you get?
was it the part where we asked
Is The Amazing Spider-Man better under the new BND Banner
or did you get confused by the part where we asked
Was The Amazing Spider-Man better under the old JMS Banner?
you plonker
and there was me thinking that someone had actually had the courage of conviction to vote for BND.
Robin The Boy Wonder
Batmanuel wrote:
Or indeed a Web of, or a Sensational. but the one thing its not is Amazing
Good point raised on the three times a month = one and a half years.
so who placed the second vote? was that you boy wonder?
Nope, not voting; just can't see the point.
The new direction is still in its infancy, despite Xeall's post to the contrary, and demands more time before it can be compared to JMS' body of work.
I think we should also bear in mind two two very different times in which the work has been released. JMS' Amazing was released at a time when the Spider-Man titles were very low quality and close enough to unreadable (Mackie & Byrne). I can also hear Xeall and Bats laughing at this notion right now and asking if anything has, in fact, changed... but still, I digress... Brand New Day was released at a time when an interest in Spider-Man was at its premium (Civil War, Back in Black & One More Day all saw Amazing enjoy its highest sales figures under JMS, despite the fact each story was event-driven).
It's a difficult question to answer and one I'm not prepared to yet. If you want more, see my previous post regarding JMS' defining run. The fact it's been undone is, perhaps, important but hardly irrelevant.
Incidentally, had JMS had his way, Gwen Stacy would now be alive. I wonder if we would all be heralding his run had he masterminded that particular change...?
Batmanuel
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Nope, not voting; just can't see the point.
The point is the same as when i voted for, or rather against TS in the is he a Villain or Hero thread.
its called playing the game, being prepared to put ones money where their mouth is, standing and being counted, and exercising your right to vote. weather you win or lose, and hell i should know ive lost a few, never stopped me voting though
so come on, dont be shy, lose like a gentleman
PS: besides when a poll was created for Daredevil being better under Brubaker or Bendis, it didn't stop people from voting even if at that time Brubaker had only done three issue.
waffle
I voted BNP.
er... I mean... BND
Batmanuel
Waffle:
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I voted BNP.
well thats not something i would want say out loud, but hey, what can i say,
Registration and all that.
Robin The Boy Wonder
I voted.
50/50 split at the moment.
This was a tough decision.
In terms of actual story, JMS' Amazing Spider-Man was better; however, his run can also be split into two halves. The first half, with John Romita Jr. was bloody amazing and redefined the character at a time Spider-Man desperately needed it (Mackie & Byrne). The second half was far more of a mixed bag with some distinctly average stories, a poorly plotted crossover (that would've been far better had JMS written it solely in Amazing in fewer issues), and event driven stories (New Avengers, Civil War, Back in Black, One More Day). Of these, only his New Avengers arc stood on a par with his earlier body of work.
However, Spider-Man is in a far better position today. The stories, while perhaps not as meaty, are fun to read and told at a reasonably brisk pace. There is a clear direction in place for the character, the Daily Bugle has been updated, his supporting cast have been reinvigorated and his newly created villains aren't that bad either. Marvel have remembered where Spider-Man came from and returned the character to his roots - Peter Parker. This is quintessential, classic Spider-Man and that just gives it the edge for me.
Batmanuel
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50/50 split at the moment.
Well not quite being as Longshot says and i quote...
[considering I haven't read a spiderman comic in about 10 years]
so i dont really think you can acually count this one, do you?
Anyone else have an opinion? or is it such a no brain-er that you feel that casting a vote is like pissing in the wind?
because whatever you vote, you are going to have to live with it
Constanteen anyone? you can pick it up in HMV for three quid now,
Three Quid !!! Shit, i would rather buy Wolfmen, mind you thats not a fair comparison is it.
OK i will start again,
Three Quid !!!
Shit, i would rather buy BND, well acually.... i think i will just go with a poke in the eye, Eddie Hitler style
Reaper
Eddie you utter utter baaaaaastard!
CatFang
Batmanuel wrote:
Constanteen anyone? you can pick it up in HMV for three quid now,
Three Quid !!! Shit, i would rather buy Wolfmen, mind you thats not a fair comparison is it.
No - it isn't, and it will be your fault now if they make a film of Wolfmen in glorious technicolour with Kenau Reeves in the lead role, make "Wolfman" his skater tag and give him a cute kid sidekick who helps him solve gangland crimes with the help of the happiness fairies!
Anyway - the reason I repy to this without casting a vote, in a topic about a book I haven't read is this:
Unless people start saying "I only have 3 quid so will buy the best story currently out with it" instead of "I only have 3 quid so I will buy X from Marvel even though I am not impressed with it much anymore and have to pass on the better Indy thing" they will only have themselves to blame when the industry stagnates.
I'm sure it's only a matter of time before someone realises - "hey, we could just take screen shots of Big Brother run them through photoshop and turn the audio into speech bubbles..." Cheap...popular...easy...how could that not be a hit?
Robin The Boy Wonder
CatFang wrote:
I'm sure it's only a matter of time before someone realises - "hey, we could just take screen shots of Big Brother run them through photoshop and turn the audio into speech bubbles..." Cheap...popular...easy...how could that not be a hit?
I think you'll find Greg Land is already doing that.
Seriously.
I've been re-reading Sojourn recently (from his CrossGen era) and was pleasantly surprised to find Billy Bob Thornton, Brad Pitt and several porn stars in one single issue.
And I like Amazing Spider-Man.
Reaper
If someone does that now, I will be forced to throw things at you.
Batmanuel
CatFang
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No - it isn't, and it will be your fault now if they make a film of Wolfmen in glorious technicolour with Kenau Reeves in the lead role, make "Wolfman" his skater tag and give him a cute kid sidekick who helps him solve gangland crimes with the help of the happiness fairies!
That's Just cruel, i just had this awful picture pop into my mind, Kenau Reeves, lead role, set in Florida, holy shotgun, with dialogue like Motherfucker, and technicolour. i am going to have nightmares for weeks now.
I sure as hell hope no one from Hollywood stumbles upon these posts, i might just have to kill them.
